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9 Responses

  1. Jordan says:

    *in before someone says ALL religions do this even though the worst offender by far are conservative Christian institutions*

  2. Jordan says:


  3. Caryn LeMur says:

    This cartoon reminds me that I wish that I had attended a church run by a female pastor, during my church years.

    Unfortunately, I attended only male-dominated churches. And all the women and men agreed to such a system. In that environment, the cycle of abuse was part-and-parcel of being a believer.

    We did not even recognize it as such. After all, we believed it was all God-ordained.

  4. Brigitte says:

    Well, I am not American. But there are many views, which you exclude here, such as the choice of throwing one or the other thing under the bus or the other, such as throwing babies to the abortuary, for example. Wikileaks is showing Hillary Clinton to have organized groups to infiltrate the Roman Catholic church to foment dissent on such issues, calling it a Medieval Dictatorship who must change its mind on babies.

  5. Jordan says:

    I’m going to break my own rule … once … to say this.

    Brigitte, conspiracy theories that ultimately have no effect on the long run shouldn’t be used as talking points for a LEGITIMATE problem that happens in various christian institutions. What you said also had no bearing on the discussion.

    I’m moving on from this post.

  6. Brigitte says:

    We are in awe, Jordan, that you lowered yourself to respond with this important message.

  7. Jordan says:

    In any case, the problem is that, unfortunately, there exists a culture within various religions, but especially Christian institutions, that finds it acceptable to blame the failure of their sect or congregation on a select group of people.

    In TLS, I brought this up but I’ll leave out specifics. The parish I volunteer at has been more and more anti-abortion to the point of obsession, but this is only really shared in sentiment by the temporary pastor. Several weeks ago, he put out a wish to start a campaign involving a billboard, mailers, and newspaper ads that would be paid for out of his pocket and some parish activity funds. To this day, I’m positive he’s throwing various members under the bus for their calling him on his crap and he’s been more intimidating than ever, which is part of what David’s talking about.

    Pastors, ministers, and people in leadership positions look for people to blame when their own failings come to light. It’s ugly and sad but it happens and it’s heinous to ignore it by trying to cover it up with “Oh but X does this” when it’s a systemic problem.

  8. Brigitte says:

    Jordan, as per usual what you write does not hang together. Maybe try to have a paragraph with a topic sentence and then several sentences hat support this main idea, through facts and well-stated ideas, rather than just ramblings about how stupid and bad certain people are, especially all Christians.

    Have you not converted to Judaism? Does your group not have a pro-life position?

    In any case, if you want to be pro-women, you can look at the fact that half, or more than half, of aborted children are female. That all the persons subjected to the abortion procedure are female, and that casual sex leads to more rather than less of all of that. It even becomes a vicious circle. Trumps idiotic speech and behavior is no example to follow or excuse. But Hillary scares just as many people. The whole thing is a soap opera of extraordinarily sad proportions.