Kim Davis: beliefs and separation

"Kim Davis" cartoon by nakedpastor David Hayward

“Kim Davis” cartoon by nakedpastor David Hayward

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Kim Davis, a clerk in Rowan County, Kentucky, refuses to issue same-sex marriage licenses.

The separation of church and state is being argued.

I’m more fascinated in how beliefs separate us. They do. The humble truth is that Kim Davis would believe it is my belief that separates me from her. The problem is belief. Belief is not the way to unity. Is there a way to transcend belief? Is there a way to manifest the union that surely exists between us other than through conformity or compatibility of belief?

Come join us at The Lasting Supper where we experiment with this idea.

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11 Responses

  1. Gary says:

    I’ve never understood the argument that freedom of religion is some sort of entitlement to deprive other of their rights. I don’t like it flowing either way. Even though the church background I is very fundamental and I once would have applauded her…today I see the hypocrisy of it all. By refusing to step down she is literally choosing to force her beliefs on everyone else in her county. I see no ethical integrity in her actions at all. The idea of the separation of church and state was designed to give us MORE freedom in this country, yet in virtually every instance I see that phrase used it is to seek to deny freedom.

    A way to transcend belief? It is an interesting question to be sure. For some clearly the answer is yes. Sadly, I believe, for most the answer is no.

  2. Kenton says:

    I don’t know who said it, but anytime we draw a line between “us” and “them.” Jesus is standing on the other side of it. I’m now adding to that thought that even when the line between “us” and “them” is the line that says “We’re on the side of Jesus”, Jesus actually moves to the other side.

  3. I agree Gary that for most it’s “no”.

    Thanks Kenton. Good commentary on the cartoon.

  4. Scott Amundsen says:

    She doesn’t need to “transcend” a damn thing. She herself has been married four times; does she ask straight couples whether either party has been married before?

    You don’t get to cloak yourself in the mantle of “belief” only when it is convenient. And as Dan Savage observed, she works for Caesar, not God; even Jesus would tell her to do her job. Which is to issue marriage licenses to anyone who is eligible to legally get married. It is just too bad that she’s all butthurt that it “goes against her beliefs.” She wasn’t so concerned with her beliefs until this issue came up. At least not as it pertained to doing the job she was elected to perform.

  5. Caryn LeMur says:

    As someone posted in another place, perhaps she is just a pawn in the game her lawyers are playing.

    That posted article reasoned that No good lawyer would tell their client to continue to defy the courts. A good lawyer will tell you to obey the court, obtain a stay so that you can appeal, but do not jeopardize your case away by becoming guilty of ‘contempt of court’.

    In another place, an article offered that the ‘real story’ was the ‘lack of backlash’ from the many counties within the United States. The culture wars ended… and the years of ‘moping up’ actions have not appeared. The Evangelicals do not appear to wish to mount a counter-attack against the Supreme Court… the older Evangelicals may not have the funds to donate to ‘changing the Nation’ (many are retiring), and the current young Evangelicals see ‘gay marriage’ as a minor event.

    And I also lean towards the Bible’s statement, “The wisdom that comes from heaven is …. impartial…” She has now shown contempt to the courts, and an incredible sense of partiality, that is, raw and ugly prejudice.

    So, I currently conclude with these thoughts:

    – Perhaps she is a pawn for her lawyers’ agenda.

    – With the present trending, the young Evangelicals will desert her.

    – Her wisdom in not from heaven.

    – The courts will charge her with contempt.

    – Her lawyers may continue to work the system for advertisement purposes.

    Welcome to America.

  6. “Welcome to America” lol!

  7. Bernardo says:

    Truth comes before belief. And what is the truth about homosexuality?

    o “Abrahamics” believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied homosexuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore gays are gay because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] ”

    2. “Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, “The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.”[8

    3. See also the From the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    “Most scientists who study human sexuality agree that gay people are born that way. But that consensus raises an evolutionary puzzle: How do genes associated with homosexuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/evolution/Gay-gene-deconstructed.html

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adultery or fornication allowed.

  8. Well, actually Bernardo, often belief comes before truth… or theory before discovery. Many discoveries are made, or truth uncovered, when someone acts on a theory or presupposes a belief, then sets out to prove or disprove it.

  9. Bernardo says:

    But Dave now truth trumps belief regarding homosexuality. Now we just have to promulgate the truth.

  10. Davis is the new Joan of Arc of the Christian grifter class. None of this would have surprised Romans like Lucian who described the career of the fraudster Peregrinus. The Didache, written about the same time as Revelation, describes how the “Christ-mongers” settled like flies on the early Christian movement. Unsurprisingly, HuckyBooBoo has a picture of Davis on his website located conveniently close to the money beg button. Some things never change.

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/269575794/Christianity-s-Critics-The-Romans-Meet-Jesus-by-Robert-Conner