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	<title>Comments on: Spiritual Infections</title>
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		<title>By: Baruch60610</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are two issues here.  First, many people are looking for the &quot;signs and wonders&quot;, the spectacular show.  No one church can probably sustain that for someone - much of it is based on the novelty.

And of course there are people who simply don&#039;t feel they&#039;re getting what they need from their current church.  Some may have outgrown the church.  Others may have left because they *didn&#039;t* want to grow.  Growth is hard and often painful.  Often scary.  Safer to move on to a church that may be a bit less nourishing.

But I can understand how a pastor may question whether s/he&#039;s doing the right thing, or whether there&#039;s been some serious lack in the efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are two issues here.  First, many people are looking for the &#8220;signs and wonders&#8221;, the spectacular show.  No one church can probably sustain that for someone &#8211; much of it is based on the novelty.</p>
<p>And of course there are people who simply don&#8217;t feel they&#8217;re getting what they need from their current church.  Some may have outgrown the church.  Others may have left because they *didn&#8217;t* want to grow.  Growth is hard and often painful.  Often scary.  Safer to move on to a church that may be a bit less nourishing.</p>
<p>But I can understand how a pastor may question whether s/he&#8217;s doing the right thing, or whether there&#8217;s been some serious lack in the efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: berciXcore</title>
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		<dc:creator>berciXcore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just watched this anglican pastor&#039;s sermon recently: http://vimeo.com/8532126
thought provoking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just watched this anglican pastor&#8217;s sermon recently: <a href="http://vimeo.com/8532126" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/8532126</a><br />
thought provoking!</p>
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		<title>By: preacherlady</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn and shellie...The whole experience of worship...ie. the singing and dancing and clapping...brings us to a place where we can be freer in the Spirit and we can better enter into the intimacy of contemplation. And yet, so often thats all there is...we go to church and all there is is fluff and we need to hear from God NOW. The temptation to skip the quiet time...the time of listening...is always there. We have &quot;stuff&quot; to do, and so we do our reading(sort of)...and go on with the day. And yet...the more time we spend connected to our Source, the easier our day will be. Church is there to give us the tools...its what we do when its just us and God that counts. I&#039;ve reached a point where I long for my solitude...the place where I can be alone with my thoughts and where I just might hear the voice of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn and shellie&#8230;The whole experience of worship&#8230;ie. the singing and dancing and clapping&#8230;brings us to a place where we can be freer in the Spirit and we can better enter into the intimacy of contemplation. And yet, so often thats all there is&#8230;we go to church and all there is is fluff and we need to hear from God NOW. The temptation to skip the quiet time&#8230;the time of listening&#8230;is always there. We have &#8220;stuff&#8221; to do, and so we do our reading(sort of)&#8230;and go on with the day. And yet&#8230;the more time we spend connected to our Source, the easier our day will be. Church is there to give us the tools&#8230;its what we do when its just us and God that counts. I&#8217;ve reached a point where I long for my solitude&#8230;the place where I can be alone with my thoughts and where I just might hear the voice of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the backdoor open - Alexander Venter, “Doing Church” 

This was the best advice I ever received when I started in the ministry (I’m an associate pastor/church planter). It is not our job to try to “keep” people in our church – we are share the Love of God and teach/peach the things He has told us to teach/preach. It is God’s job to bring people to the church and keep them.

Someone else once said that locking the backdoor is like damming a river. You trap all the trash, logs, and bad apples in one place instead of letting the debris flow on down the river leaving the pure, clean water. 

This doesn’t mean you only “keep” the people who look nice and who are “cleaned” up – it means that you let those people who don’t belong in your church leave.  Focus on the ones God brought you and let Him worry about the rest. 

Is this hard? Yes. I have had people leave the church after disagreeing with a sermon I preached. But, looking back, I am glad they left because it allowed the Spirit to take the rest of the church in direction He couldn’t have if those folks were still there. 

Open the front door and love all who enter – but keep the backdoor open wider for all those whom God leads away.

(Note: Alexander Venter is a South African Vineyard pastor who worked under John Wimber for a few years. His book “Doing Church” is an amazing look at how to do church. Well worth the read.)  =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the backdoor open &#8211; Alexander Venter, “Doing Church” </p>
<p>This was the best advice I ever received when I started in the ministry (I’m an associate pastor/church planter). It is not our job to try to “keep” people in our church – we are share the Love of God and teach/peach the things He has told us to teach/preach. It is God’s job to bring people to the church and keep them.</p>
<p>Someone else once said that locking the backdoor is like damming a river. You trap all the trash, logs, and bad apples in one place instead of letting the debris flow on down the river leaving the pure, clean water. </p>
<p>This doesn’t mean you only “keep” the people who look nice and who are “cleaned” up – it means that you let those people who don’t belong in your church leave.  Focus on the ones God brought you and let Him worry about the rest. </p>
<p>Is this hard? Yes. I have had people leave the church after disagreeing with a sermon I preached. But, looking back, I am glad they left because it allowed the Spirit to take the rest of the church in direction He couldn’t have if those folks were still there. </p>
<p>Open the front door and love all who enter – but keep the backdoor open wider for all those whom God leads away.</p>
<p>(Note: Alexander Venter is a South African Vineyard pastor who worked under John Wimber for a few years. His book “Doing Church” is an amazing look at how to do church. Well worth the read.)  =D</p>
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