cartoon: how to stop harassment at work
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Gee, why do you host a right-side advertisement to… “graduate degrees in Counseling Psychology, Divinity, and Christian Studies”???
béranger: why not?
Perhaps if Ms. “Just-A-Secretary” wore shapeless, floorlength, denim dresses appliqued with fluffy bunnies and happy faces to work, she might have kept her job. Of course, closed-toe shoes, shirts with sleeves, turtlenecks, and no makeup or beguiling jewelry would also be part of the uniform.
For those that cannot distinguish in this venue, I am being completely sarcastic… Unfortunately, this type of “solution” to the problem of sexual harassment goes back to the archaic idea that women must be responsible for mens’ reactions to their beauty, their bodies, and their personality.
Most women are not provacative sluts. Most men are not animalistic sex fiends. Too bad some Christian organizations haven’t noticed that yet…
hahahahaha. funnnnnnnny!!!
I would love to do that course in Counselling Psychology at Mars Hill.
I’ve been repeatedly seen as some sort of femme fatale in churches (and other Christian contexts) since I was about 17. Wish I was seen that way in the real world!
Most women are not provacative sluts. Most men are not animalistic sex fiends.(ttm)
Interestingly enough, most women will beautify their looks and most men will notice.
But most women are not trying to provoke most men into being animalistic sex fiends. Most women will beautify their looks if t hey’re just meeting a female friend. Wanting to look nice doesn’t mean you are asking someone for sexual attention.
This reminds me of the priests molesting children. The response of the church was “protect the institution.”
That just shows you their mentality – bunch of arse-lickers huddling together in their ‘gentlemans’ club.
This could also be like when someone criticizes the church in some way. The church staff could think-”the problem is that person.” The critic is saying “there’s something wrong with this church.”
Or the Bible: A friend said he doesn’t understand everything in the Bible, but blames it on his limited ability to understand God. I, on the other hand, decided that people don’t understand the Bible because it’s a confusing, contradictory book.
So I see that the employer wants to protect the company-get rid of the troublemaker.
The Christian wants to protect the Bible, so the critic has let the devil get ahold of them.
The church wants to do what it wants to do, so the troublemaker needs to move on.
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!
sadly true….but funny
nakedpastor said, on November 24th, 2009 at 10:58 am
béranger: why not?
———–Ah, so that particular school DOES NOT turn out anyone like you rail against.
Of course if they did, and you advertize for them, that makes you a….”
fishon
On the attack again. Sigh.
No tiggy, you miss the point–but I am guessing he didn’t.
fishon
Yea, the NP never attacks.
“But most women are not trying to provoke most men into being animalistic sex fiends” (Tiggy)
True – I blame the over-sexualized culture we live in which is a direct by-product of the growth of the medium of advertising and the sexual revolution.
In any system based on Shame, its not my fault for having a problem its your fault for noticing. Whether its the church or the workplace, its a clear sign of shame-based system when the victim is blamed.
It’s also a clear indication of demonic agreements. He is the great accuser.
I’d like to think that if Christ were here he’d say, “Congratulations, we now have the opportunity to adjust Jim’s broken idea about sexuality.” Oh wait…Christ is here…”If we are the body…”
Grace-based systems are hard work. They require a radical openness…dare I call it, “a nakedness.”
I’m not interested in what your point is, Mr. Fishon, but the way in which you made it. And you should attend to your own behaviour, not that of other people. As it is, you’re like a kid in the playground saying, ‘He started it!’
So if a man behaves like an ‘animalistic fiend’, t hen it’s either women or the culture that are at fault?
Tiggy said, on November 24th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I’m not interested in what your point is, Mr. Fishon, but the way in which you made it. And you should attend to your own behaviour, not that of other people.
————Tiggy, take your own advice:: “attend to your own behaviour, not that of other people.” What are you, the behaviour police?
YOU:As it is, you’re like a kid in the playground saying, ‘He started it!’
————Why tiggy, I am surprised you miss it—–Are you telling me his cartoons and thoughts ARE NOT INTENDED to start something??
YOU:So if a man behaves like an ‘animalistic fiend’, t hen it’s either women or the culture that are at fault?
————I hope you weren’t addressing this to me? If so, why?
fishon
Yes, tonight I am the behaviour police for I am in teacher mode! Furthermore, I am on to my second gin and tonic. Anyway, your’e a minister, so BEhave!
His cartoons are not attacking you personally.
No, it wasn’t addressed to you, but to Societyvs. I should have said that.
ok, ok, ms. tiggy, I’ll BEhave for now.
Off to do some pre-marriage counseling.
And my first bit of advice will be the the man, “Love your wife as Christ loves the Church.”
later tiggy,
mr. fishon
Not, ‘Find where her G-spot is’???
It’s “inappropriately” not “innappropriately.” You’d think the secretary would be able to say that right.
Doesn’t everyone just love the anal grammarian? ; )
Don’t get me started on marital advice! Trying to mesh ideas from the Bible with my marriage didn’t work well. Stumbling across Dr. Phil’s relationship book where he talked about your attitude toward your partner was actually very helpful. That opened my eyes somewhat.
But “loving your wife as Christ loved the church” and “submisson” created alot of CONFUSION and disappointment. Try fitting all those lofty-sounding ideas with two very sensitive people, and you’ve got a bigger mess than what you would’ve had without trying to be spiritual about it all.
I think success in marriage requires maturity, not spirituality.
Wow, I’ll have to start proofreading David’s cartoons.
Fred, I don’t think you realise what a sexy phrase ‘anal grammarian’ is for a proofreader.
Yeah the Christ/Husband, Wife/Church analogy doesn’t really work very well. Doesn’t the Bible also say we’re saved through our husbands? Let’s try, ‘Wives love your husbands as Christ loves his church’ and see how it feels. Does that turn you on, guys? Maybe some of you would enjoy being submissive.
I’m sorry, I’m on a roll again. I must say more: Take two very sensitive, codependent people. Give the wife spiritual ideals in her head about what a Christian family is supposed to be like…disaster! The only reason we survived all that-although it did much harm-was I went to counseling for 2-3 years and read a million self-help books. Religion contributed nothing but harm to the situation.
Thanks for listening. I have very strong feelings on this subject. There’s even a related website now-No Longer Quivering. It gives you insight into the mindset women can have about all this.
Hee Hee, that word just makes me think of ‘quivering with desire’. Did they mean quivering with fear? Sorry, the lady who runs the discipleship group at my church has given me a book to proofread that she’s written and it’s full of people ‘quivering with desire’. It’s very raunchy – I can only read it in small doses or I get hysterical.
LOL-Yeah, quivering is a hilarious word, actually! The “No Longer Quivering” site is about leaving the patriarchy movement. It’s about submission to the husband of the wife and children to a ridiculous extent, homeschooling, home churches, etc. Just another lovely idea people get from the Bible.