The last pastor at my church was a woman, she was with us for over 20 years before retiring a few years ago. I’ve got great amounts of respect for her and am so thankful for all she’s done for me.
I remember once she told me a story about a conference she attended which was run by the New Frontiers International organisation here in the UK. All the pastors etc were asked to go forwards for prayer. And as my pastor stood at the front, she was completely snubbed by the ministry team and left to stand there alone until one of the other pastors that had been prayed with saw what was happening and prayed with her himself.
What a completely unloving and un-Jesus like way to treat a fellow sister in Christ. Very sad.
This is the exact reason I left Mormonism. I started to think that if my religion told me God didn’t see me as a full person just because I was female, then maybe it was time to leave that religion.
This cartoon is an overgeneralizaton. Partly true, but not completely true. Our church has a woman pastor on staff (and no, not a Children’s Pastor). My brother attends a church in which a woman has been senior pastor since before the turn of the millennium.
That said, I think it’s important to notice that the picture on the door is specific enough to include a little penis…?
That’s the primary reason I left Catholicism. I went to confession and told a Franciscan priest my concerns, and he basically told me to follow my spirit which was obviously leading me out of Catholicism. He had been on 60 Minutes discussing his view that the Church was in dire need of female priests. After my confession, he took me to his office and showed me the lovely letter he received from the Vatican. He was no longer allowed to express his views. That was about 12 years ago. I often wonder if he is still a priest. I think it is so much more difficult for people in the ministry/preisthood to deal with institutional drag than it is for lay people. You all are under way more pressure than most of us can even conceive.
preacherlady said, on November 16th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
It was under the care of a catholic charismatic priest that I left the church, so arulba, I guess there were a few of them around. It was clear that I was called to preach, and there was no way I could do what I had to do in the catholic church. But even in the pentacostal church, things were rough. I’ve since realized that it doesn’t matter what they call me, it doesn’t matter where I have to teach or preach, as long as I ‘m able to minister to those to whom I’m called, I’m satisfied. For the past ten or twelve years I’ve ministered as an independent interfaith minister, I have papers that protect my first amendment rights, and have a hodge podge group of friends…ministers…to whom I’m accountable. Fortunately, the church that originally ordained me closed, so I didn’t have to resign and go through that nonsense…but thats another story.
Pastor Sarah said, on November 16th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
As a working pastor in the south going up for her ordination endorsement this year there a moments when I think that I’ll find such relief once I’m finished with my examinations…until I remember all the stories of the “stained glass ceiling” that I’ve heard from my fully ordained clergy-sisters…and I realize the hard work is just going to begin next year.
Are there no generational differences in ‘the South’? Or do people just grow up as clones of their parents? I guess I’m asking if there’s any hope for t he future t here.
The American exchange students at my university were big chaps with loud voices. There was one quiet one though and he was very nice – went out with my friend. I read somewhere that British or English people are now taller than Americans, but I find it hard to believe. I think a lot are wider. The tallest are the Dutch apparently.
Yeah, freaks. All that inbreeding. Doesn’t it depend how it’s worked out though? I think with Montenegro it’s a bunch of people in the mountains who are shooting up the average. It’s strange, I’d always thought of the Dutch as short. I think it’s because of that song that goes ‘A little mouse with clogs on, going click clickety click on the stair’, but then a mouse would be little and not representative of a true Dutch person.. I don’t remember people being tall t hough when I went to Amsterdam. But then everyone seems tall to me, even when I wear huge platforms.
Thank you! Geez, I can actually remember getting into an argument with my ex (minister) husband once about what exactly was it about testicles that made a man able to understand the Bible better than a woman. Ridiculous!!! Questioning that issue was step 1 out of Christianity and ministry for me!
preacherlady said, on November 22nd, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Laura…not all men are like that.I even have some male minister friends who consider me an equal! The ones who look down on us only read the creation account that says man was made in the image and likeness of God and woman was made from man. I think I’ve had my fill of them. In my age group it wasn’t just in ministry. When I was a chef I had a supplier come in and say “how cute, a lady chef!” What denomination were you in? Since the 70’s, at least, the mainline denominations have ordained women quite regularly, but it was still rough for them to get an appointment as a senior pastor.
The door to [some] ministry would be more accurate
Just one reason why I’m glad I grew up Quaker…
Funny…but painfully true.
The last pastor at my church was a woman, she was with us for over 20 years before retiring a few years ago. I’ve got great amounts of respect for her and am so thankful for all she’s done for me.
I remember once she told me a story about a conference she attended which was run by the New Frontiers International organisation here in the UK. All the pastors etc were asked to go forwards for prayer. And as my pastor stood at the front, she was completely snubbed by the ministry team and left to stand there alone until one of the other pastors that had been prayed with saw what was happening and prayed with her himself.
What a completely unloving and un-Jesus like way to treat a fellow sister in Christ. Very sad.
Most people attending seminaries for the mainline churches are women.
Weren’t you PCUSA?
Hmm, that man has interesting proportions – or is he on his knees?
This is the exact reason I left Mormonism. I started to think that if my religion told me God didn’t see me as a full person just because I was female, then maybe it was time to leave that religion.
This cartoon is an overgeneralizaton. Partly true, but not completely true. Our church has a woman pastor on staff (and no, not a Children’s Pastor). My brother attends a church in which a woman has been senior pastor since before the turn of the millennium.
That said, I think it’s important to notice that the picture on the door is specific enough to include a little penis…?
HA! Sadly, so accurate!
I’m not going to go into war stories, but until you have been there, you have no idea how true and how painful that is.
That’s the primary reason I left Catholicism. I went to confession and told a Franciscan priest my concerns, and he basically told me to follow my spirit which was obviously leading me out of Catholicism. He had been on 60 Minutes discussing his view that the Church was in dire need of female priests. After my confession, he took me to his office and showed me the lovely letter he received from the Vatican. He was no longer allowed to express his views. That was about 12 years ago. I often wonder if he is still a priest. I think it is so much more difficult for people in the ministry/preisthood to deal with institutional drag than it is for lay people. You all are under way more pressure than most of us can even conceive.
It was under the care of a catholic charismatic priest that I left the church, so arulba, I guess there were a few of them around. It was clear that I was called to preach, and there was no way I could do what I had to do in the catholic church. But even in the pentacostal church, things were rough. I’ve since realized that it doesn’t matter what they call me, it doesn’t matter where I have to teach or preach, as long as I ‘m able to minister to those to whom I’m called, I’m satisfied. For the past ten or twelve years I’ve ministered as an independent interfaith minister, I have papers that protect my first amendment rights, and have a hodge podge group of friends…ministers…to whom I’m accountable. Fortunately, the church that originally ordained me closed, so I didn’t have to resign and go through that nonsense…but thats another story.
As a working pastor in the south going up for her ordination endorsement this year there a moments when I think that I’ll find such relief once I’m finished with my examinations…until I remember all the stories of the “stained glass ceiling” that I’ve heard from my fully ordained clergy-sisters…and I realize the hard work is just going to begin next year.
Are there no generational differences in ‘the South’? Or do people just grow up as clones of their parents? I guess I’m asking if there’s any hope for t he future t here.
Fred, IS that a ‘little’ penis?? I thought it was quite big, proportionately.
He’s a grower, not a show-er.
In that case, I must have unnecessarily low expectations.
If I was that guy I wouldn’t be too worried about the size of my penis…it’s those freaky Frankenstein shoulders that’ll scare the kids…
Oh, I thought all North Americans looked like that! Maybe David was conveying that it’s not a place for Metrosexuals.
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LOL Tiggy!
The American exchange students at my university were big chaps with loud voices. There was one quiet one though and he was very nice – went out with my friend. I read somewhere that British or English people are now taller than Americans, but I find it hard to believe. I think a lot are wider. The tallest are the Dutch apparently.
Since Montenegro gained independence they are officially the tallest nation and the Masai the tallest ‘people group’.
Yeah, freaks. All that inbreeding. Doesn’t it depend how it’s worked out though? I think with Montenegro it’s a bunch of people in the mountains who are shooting up the average. It’s strange, I’d always thought of the Dutch as short. I think it’s because of that song that goes ‘A little mouse with clogs on, going click clickety click on the stair’, but then a mouse would be little and not representative of a true Dutch person.. I don’t remember people being tall t hough when I went to Amsterdam. But then everyone seems tall to me, even when I wear huge platforms.
Thank you! Geez, I can actually remember getting into an argument with my ex (minister) husband once about what exactly was it about testicles that made a man able to understand the Bible better than a woman. Ridiculous!!! Questioning that issue was step 1 out of Christianity and ministry for me!
Laura…not all men are like that.I even have some male minister friends who consider me an equal! The ones who look down on us only read the creation account that says man was made in the image and likeness of God and woman was made from man. I think I’ve had my fill of them. In my age group it wasn’t just in ministry. When I was a chef I had a supplier come in and say “how cute, a lady chef!” What denomination were you in? Since the 70’s, at least, the mainline denominations have ordained women quite regularly, but it was still rough for them to get an appointment as a senior pastor.