Is there an implicit trinitarian structure to reality? This is what the z-theory (here and here) is concerned with. Is there The Unknown, The Revelation/Reception, and The Appropriation? (I realize these are just words. I am just using them in an effort to point to something. They are interchangeable with other words. But I have chosen these ones for now because they are global in meaning.) Even though this might be an implicit structure or order to Reality, I do not believe this restricts The Unknown within the limits of the definition. The Unknown, if it is Unknown, is only Known as the Unknown chooses to reveal and be received. So there is always The Unknown beyond The Unknown. It is the same with The Revelation/Reception and The Appropriation. There is always The More-Than beyond these categories. This honors the truly holy.
Here we can dialog. For The Unknown is unknown to everyone. No one has special knowledge. We are all as infinitely ignorant as The Unknown is infinitely unknowable. And, The Unknown reveals and is received indiscriminately, crossing all borders, designations and divisions, accessible and available to everyone. It is the intersection of The Other with the world. Then, the truth, love and justice of the The Unknown is for every creature.
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‘The Unknown is infinitely unknowable. And, The Unknown reveals..’
Well how is The Unknown infinitely unknowable if said Unknown reveals itself?
The Hindu philosophers are best at this game.
How do you determine what is unknown if it is unknowable?
YOU:Here we can dialog. For The Unknown is unknown to everyone.
——Who says?
fishon
another way of looking at this: what we don’t know is infinitely greater than what we do know, and will always be so. i think this is probably the grand metaphor of “fall” – where unity is shattered into endless shards of partial truth – where our selfish desire to “know” poisons the simple, eternal goodness of the garden.
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I would think it’s a logical definition. Take away what is known and what is left is unknown.
Why is the desire to know selfish? That sounds like a dangerous way of thinking.
Tiggy asks, “why is the desire to know selfish?”
I think the fall narrative is more than a story about disobedience. Gen 3 contrasts a life in balance (garden, unity, peace, harmony with creation, freedom from want & desire, innocence, selflessness) vs. a life of endless strife, toil, duality, selfishness, desire — including (especially) the desire for knowledge.
Yeah but it had to happen really, didn’t it? I think of it as a description of what happened, like a just so story to explain how something came to be. I mean you don’t put a dodgy tree and a wily snake in a garden with two naive individuals if you don’t secretly want them to explore.
Thanks Tiggy.
I would think it’s a logical definition. Take away what is known and what is left is unknown.
——-But you must know something of an unknown in order to determine it is unknowable.
fishon
If you knew something of it, then it would hardly be the Unknown, would it?
This is called the apophatic way and it’s common theology in the Eastern Orthodox Church. It’s a very ‘eastern’ approach to God. I saw a quote the other day, but I can only paraphrase it now, ‘God is not to be found in adding anything, but in taking away.’
If you knew something of it, then it would hardly be the Unknown, would it?
———-aaha, that is my point.
fishon
So are you claiming to know something of this Unknown? Then it isn’t the Unknown. It’s logical.
Then by definition it would be The Revealed.
G’night.
“The Unknown” reminds me of Lacan’s “The Real”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Lacan
Tiggy…to talk of something is not to say we know it….we can talk of string theory,and nobody has any experiential knowledge of it, but if true, we are string theory manifested…can we say the same for the Unknown?
No, I never said it was. I never said that if we can talk of something then we know it.
Are we the Unknown manifested? Well I happen to think we are, but that’s a different point, surely.