Comments on: Frank Viola and Re-Imagining http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/3484 David Hayward is an artist trapped in a pastor's body, stripping to the essential. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:26:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: vickie http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/3484/comment-page-2#comment-116222 vickie Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:37:14 +0000 http://www.nakedpastor.com/?p=3484#comment-116222 stumbled across all this talk on organic churches!! So is this the latest fad? Really turned off by the emergent church. Done enough research to know that is a dangerous way to go. So what I'm wondering is how does every one come together , and have fellowship with no clear direction as far as doctrine? You know there are some really off the wall beliefs out there, so how can you have things in common when people don't agree on basic doctrines. It seems like you would always be discussing why you don't agree with something someone else sees different. I think you need to establish the common denominator in order to produce any results for God. I know God is the common denominator, but everyone has a different idea of that!! I know I would be very frustrated if someone was really taking lightly the word of God. and twisting the verses to say what they wanted it to say . You can't have a little truth, error has to be exposed as well. If not there is no absolute truth. The Bible says to stand , girding up your loins, a soldier ready to fight for the truth I'm so sick of the side show at churches thinking they have to add something to the word of god, or people will get bored. No God has always used his word to convict of sin, he doesn't need our help. It's not our job to make the unsaved feel comfortable. Jesus said the world will hate you so don't be surjprised when they do. Some churches are too busy entertaining the goats and not feeding the sheep. It's a slippery slope, and is falling into the hands of the antichrist to fulfill prophecy in the last days. The Universal Church!! It is deffinately happening. Anything goes, It's not about Christ anymore, it's about us!! It is sickening!!!! Just preach the Bible and people will know how to live!! So I can understand why the new movement, but I can see problems with this as well. I think the church needs to get back to basics, and do what God called the church to do, we meet admonish one another, the shepard feeds the sheep, and we go out to reach the lost, like jesus commanded us to do. We don't need skits, videos, or clever little sermonets to spark our interest, we need to be something diff than the world. , we have a different calling. People aren't going to like us, the gospel affends. I wonder what the martyrs think, when they hear some pastor say, don't bring your Bibles to church , we don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable. WHAT? The martyrs were tortured, murdered for the very Bible we hold in our hands. How dare we have that attitude? That really gets me cranked. Why can't we just stick to the Bible, and let God build his church. stumbled across all this talk on organic churches!! So is this the latest fad? Really turned off by the emergent church. Done enough research to know that is a dangerous way to go.

So what I’m wondering is how does every one come together , and have fellowship with no clear direction as far as doctrine? You know there are some really off the wall beliefs out there, so how can you have things in common when people don’t agree on basic doctrines. It seems like you would always be discussing why you don’t agree with something someone else sees different. I think you need to establish the common denominator in order to produce any results for God. I know God is the common denominator, but everyone has a different idea of that!!

I know I would be very frustrated if someone was really taking lightly the word of God. and twisting the verses to say what they wanted it to say . You can’t have a little truth, error has to be exposed as well. If not there is no absolute truth.

The Bible says to stand , girding up your loins, a soldier ready to fight for the truth
I’m so sick of the side show at churches thinking they have to add something to the word of god, or people will get bored. No God has always used his word to convict of sin, he doesn’t need our help. It’s not our job to make the unsaved feel comfortable. Jesus said the world will hate you so don’t be surjprised when they do. Some churches are too busy entertaining the goats and not feeding the sheep. It’s a slippery slope, and is falling into the hands of the antichrist to fulfill prophecy in the last days. The Universal Church!! It is deffinately happening. Anything goes, It’s not about Christ anymore, it’s about us!! It is sickening!!!! Just preach the Bible and people will know how to live!!

So I can understand why the new movement, but I can see problems with this as well.
I think the church needs to get back to basics, and do what God called the church to do, we meet admonish one another, the shepard feeds the sheep, and we go out to reach the lost, like jesus commanded us to do. We don’t need skits, videos, or clever little sermonets to spark our interest, we need to be something diff than the world. , we have a different calling. People aren’t going to like us, the gospel affends. I wonder what the martyrs think, when they hear some pastor say, don’t bring your Bibles to church , we don’t want to make anyone feel uncomfortable. WHAT? The martyrs were tortured, murdered for the very Bible we hold in our hands. How dare we have that attitude? That really gets me cranked.

Why can’t we just stick to the Bible, and let God build his church.

]]> By: matybigfro http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/3484/comment-page-2#comment-106752 matybigfro Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:35:26 +0000 http://www.nakedpastor.com/?p=3484#comment-106752 Many early house churches had come out of the plymouth bretheran movement or were influenced-inspired by the teaching of arthur wallice and david lillie (or teachers inspired by them) who were Plymouth B's who had become convinced of the validity of spiritual gift (the charismatic thing) the distincitive between their teaching and the rest of charismatic teaching was that it wasn't enough to simply have a return to the minstitry of the holy spirit evident in the new testament but also a return to the church governence, structure and form they saw evident in the new testament (this was also attached to a belief that this was a pre-eminent move before the end of the world or a great revival depending on who you listened to). Hence the influence and affect of the Plymouth Breathen being rife in early and alter house churches and networks. Many early house churches had come out of the plymouth bretheran movement or were influenced-inspired by the teaching of arthur wallice and david lillie (or teachers inspired by them) who were Plymouth B’s who had become convinced of the validity of spiritual gift (the charismatic thing) the distincitive between their teaching and the rest of charismatic teaching was that it wasn’t enough to simply have a return to the minstitry of the holy spirit evident in the new testament but also a return to the church governence, structure and form they saw evident in the new testament (this was also attached to a belief that this was a pre-eminent move before the end of the world or a great revival depending on who you listened to). Hence the influence and affect of the Plymouth Breathen being rife in early and alter house churches and networks.

]]> By: Tiggy http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/3484/comment-page-2#comment-106663 Tiggy Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:29:00 +0000 http://www.nakedpastor.com/?p=3484#comment-106663 Thanks for that. But why was it influenced by the Plymouth Brethren? Note also the danger of claims to 'knowing' by virtue of the Holy Spirit and subsequent authoritarianism. Thanks for that. But why was it influenced by the Plymouth Brethren?

Note also the danger of claims to ‘knowing’ by virtue of the Holy Spirit and subsequent authoritarianism.

]]> By: matybigfro http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/3484/comment-page-1#comment-106649 matybigfro Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:58:12 +0000 http://www.nakedpastor.com/?p=3484#comment-106649 Just to be a bit of a geek and history buff the house/simple/organinc church movement in america is really a late/slow growing offshoot of the UK house church movement {Itself part of the charismatic movements and somewhat influences but he plymouth bretheran (where you get the the heavy legalism and authoritarianishipness)} Tony and Felicity Dale who are pretty influencial in the house church lark were around in the 70's when it was all kicking off over here and had moved to texas before the movement got centered around the magnificent seven and subsequent Fabulous Fourteen. The main differences from what I can tell is that the house church in the UK was very much born out of the charimatic stuff going on in 70's for some it was the only place they were allowed to teach or practice the gifits of the holy spirit, for some it was a belief that his new experience needed new structures/forms and for some they believed it was part of restoring a corect (implicilty implied pure) form of christianity/church along with restoring the gifts of the holy spirit. The relationship to the charismatic renewal is really important in understanding it's birth and growth into the new church movement in the UK for allot of folks coming into house churches in the 70's in the UK their experience at bible studie gourps/prayer mettings early house churches and their steping into the charismatic experience were very interwieved. Whereas in the US it seems that the house church's tend to simply reflect he theologies/practices of the churches they came out of, some HC will be charismatic or penticostal but their IC's were also, some will be more classically evangelical in theology and practice much like the IC that the participants will have once be a part of. For the main in the UK the main thing was what the holy spirit was doing or the important emerging charismatic theology adn house churches were mearly the space that this was happening in where as in the current crop of house churches the non IC small/organic formuala is much more important focused on. Just to be a bit of a geek and history buff the house/simple/organinc church movement in america is really a late/slow growing offshoot of the UK house church movement
{Itself part of the charismatic movements and somewhat influences but he plymouth bretheran (where you get the the heavy legalism and authoritarianishipness)} Tony and Felicity Dale who are pretty influencial in the house church lark were around in the 70’s when it was all kicking off over here and had moved to texas before the movement got centered around the magnificent seven and subsequent Fabulous Fourteen. The main differences from what I can tell is that the house church in the UK was very much born out of the charimatic stuff going on in 70’s for some it was the only place they were allowed to teach or practice the gifits of the holy spirit, for some it was a belief that his new experience needed new structures/forms and for some they believed it was part of restoring a corect (implicilty implied pure) form of christianity/church along with restoring the gifts of the holy spirit. The relationship to the charismatic renewal is really important in understanding it’s birth and growth into the new church movement in the UK for allot of folks coming into house churches in the 70’s in the UK their experience at bible studie gourps/prayer mettings early house churches and their steping into the charismatic experience were very interwieved. Whereas in the US it seems that the house church’s tend to simply reflect he theologies/practices of the churches they came out of, some HC will be charismatic or penticostal but their IC’s were also, some will be more classically evangelical in theology and practice much like the IC that the participants will have once be a part of. For the main in the UK the main thing was what the holy spirit was doing or the important emerging charismatic theology adn house churches were mearly the space that this was happening in where as in the current crop of house churches the non IC small/organic formuala is much more important focused on.

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