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	<title>Comments on: Z-Theory #6: The Promotion of Dialog</title>
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	<description>David Hayward is an artist trapped in a pastor&#039;s body, stripping to the essential.</description>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fishon said, on June 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pm 
&quot;Intolerant: So, if I say practicing homosexuality is a sin, yet I respect the opinion of the practicing homosexual, I am not intolerant. Glad to know you feel that way. But many homosexuals on this blog don’t feel that way. I can tell you that for sure, from what they have wrote to me.&quot;

hey, all I did was give you a difinition(sp) of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fishon said, on June 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pm<br />
&#8220;Intolerant: So, if I say practicing homosexuality is a sin, yet I respect the opinion of the practicing homosexual, I am not intolerant. Glad to know you feel that way. But many homosexuals on this blog don’t feel that way. I can tell you that for sure, from what they have wrote to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>hey, all I did was give you a difinition(sp) of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Larimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Larimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll stick my toe in the water of this moral freedom debate.

Why is &quot;freedom&quot; so dangerous? Because it is never freedom at all, when not constrained by God&#039;s law.

We have an infinite capacity for self-rationalization. We think we know the boundaries. We think our reason can keep us safe.

The problem is, as C. S. Lewis wrote in his timeless essay, “Men Without Chests,” that our reason is no match for the passions of the flesh. Lewis put it this way: Our stomachs (that is our appetites) can’t be controlled by our minds (that is, reason). Something else has to come in to play—and that is the spirited element, or our chests, as he called it. It’s our will being trained to do what is right and just.

Nearly every grave moral failure begins with a small sin. Because there comes a time, after we toy with sin, when one pull of the flesh causes us to cross the line, to disengage from reason, and to follow our appetites wherever they may lead.

Ours is a self-indulgent age. Our wills are not trained to do what is good, but to do what pleases us. And so it is at least as true of our age, and perhaps more true, that we need the restraint of divine law because we have little law in us (either in our chaotic volition or muddled irrational epistemologies).

Truth be told, many of us have become - as Lewis said - men without chests.

Humbly, CLL+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll stick my toe in the water of this moral freedom debate.</p>
<p>Why is &#8220;freedom&#8221; so dangerous? Because it is never freedom at all, when not constrained by God&#8217;s law.</p>
<p>We have an infinite capacity for self-rationalization. We think we know the boundaries. We think our reason can keep us safe.</p>
<p>The problem is, as C. S. Lewis wrote in his timeless essay, “Men Without Chests,” that our reason is no match for the passions of the flesh. Lewis put it this way: Our stomachs (that is our appetites) can’t be controlled by our minds (that is, reason). Something else has to come in to play—and that is the spirited element, or our chests, as he called it. It’s our will being trained to do what is right and just.</p>
<p>Nearly every grave moral failure begins with a small sin. Because there comes a time, after we toy with sin, when one pull of the flesh causes us to cross the line, to disengage from reason, and to follow our appetites wherever they may lead.</p>
<p>Ours is a self-indulgent age. Our wills are not trained to do what is good, but to do what pleases us. And so it is at least as true of our age, and perhaps more true, that we need the restraint of divine law because we have little law in us (either in our chaotic volition or muddled irrational epistemologies).</p>
<p>Truth be told, many of us have become &#8211; as Lewis said &#8211; men without chests.</p>
<p>Humbly, CLL+</p>
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		<title>By: fishon</title>
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		<dc:creator>fishon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
How in hell you could interject “Carl Marx–Mao–Lenin–Joseph Smith–Jim Jones–etc.” in my sentiment, I have no idea. 
-------------Ok, let&#039;s extract Max-Mao-Lenin.
             But I will leave Smith and Jones as they were guys who came up &quot;in freedom&quot; X and Y theories. 

Intolerant: So, if I say practicing homosexuality is a sin, yet I respect the opinion of the practicing homosexual, I am not intolerant. Glad to know you feel that way. But many homosexuals on this blog don&#039;t feel that way. I can tell you that for sure, from what they have wrote to me. 
fishon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
How in hell you could interject “Carl Marx–Mao–Lenin–Joseph Smith–Jim Jones–etc.” in my sentiment, I have no idea.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-Ok, let&#8217;s extract Max-Mao-Lenin.<br />
             But I will leave Smith and Jones as they were guys who came up &#8220;in freedom&#8221; X and Y theories. </p>
<p>Intolerant: So, if I say practicing homosexuality is a sin, yet I respect the opinion of the practicing homosexual, I am not intolerant. Glad to know you feel that way. But many homosexuals on this blog don&#8217;t feel that way. I can tell you that for sure, from what they have wrote to me.<br />
fishon</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fariss said:

&quot;One of my mantras is, “Presupposition, presupposition, presupposition!” .... But if I act on something that I have 51% confidence in–is not that the same as if I were 100% sure?&quot;

I abridged your response due to space and np&#039;s bandwidth, but I respond to the whole thing.  I completely agree with and identify with what you wrote about &quot;faith.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fariss said:</p>
<p>&#8220;One of my mantras is, “Presupposition, presupposition, presupposition!” &#8230;. But if I act on something that I have 51% confidence in–is not that the same as if I were 100% sure?&#8221;</p>
<p>I abridged your response due to space and np&#8217;s bandwidth, but I respond to the whole thing.  I completely agree with and identify with what you wrote about &#8220;faith.&#8221;</p>
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