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	<title>Comments on: Evaluation</title>
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	<description>David Hayward is a pastor artistically stripping to the essential.</description>
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		<title>By: Tiggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that was a short answer!  My friend was chucked out of her church because of her she was in a relationship with a woman and I think that&#039;s quite common. Even if you&#039;re not chucked out, you&#039;re made to feel so bad that you&#039;re forced to leave. I go to a church now that&#039;s full of people who were forced to leave other churches. Bit hard to go to a place where people are saying you&#039;re &#039;an abomination&#039; and &#039;perverted&#039; and where people worry that you&#039;re a corrupting influence. 

Mind you, I&#039;ve been in churches where if you&#039;re a reasonably attractive single woman then you&#039;re seen as a threat to married couples. Once you&#039;ve got past the Youth Group age, it&#039;s like there&#039;s no place for you. There&#039;s the Mother&#039;s Union (not appropriate) and then there&#039;s the &#039;Men&#039;s Group&#039; (note - not the Father&#039;s Union). Men are men and women are mothers, unless they&#039;re not of course and then they&#039;re .... no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that was a short answer!  My friend was chucked out of her church because of her she was in a relationship with a woman and I think that&#8217;s quite common. Even if you&#8217;re not chucked out, you&#8217;re made to feel so bad that you&#8217;re forced to leave. I go to a church now that&#8217;s full of people who were forced to leave other churches. Bit hard to go to a place where people are saying you&#8217;re &#8216;an abomination&#8217; and &#8216;perverted&#8217; and where people worry that you&#8217;re a corrupting influence. </p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;ve been in churches where if you&#8217;re a reasonably attractive single woman then you&#8217;re seen as a threat to married couples. Once you&#8217;ve got past the Youth Group age, it&#8217;s like there&#8217;s no place for you. There&#8217;s the Mother&#8217;s Union (not appropriate) and then there&#8217;s the &#8216;Men&#8217;s Group&#8217; (note &#8211; not the Father&#8217;s Union). Men are men and women are mothers, unless they&#8217;re not of course and then they&#8217;re &#8230;. no one.</p>
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		<title>By: nakedpastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>nakedpastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiggy: no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiggy: no.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiggy</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/3381/comment-page-1#comment-101707</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the guy who was &#039;evaluated&#039; for being a paedophile or whatever you choose to call him. Obviously you have to protect young children in your church or, apart from anything else, you can get sued. Do you also have to protect adults? What else should they be protected from? Whose job is it to do this? 

I was quite shocked when you said the church has to &#039;have standards&#039; and &#039;entrance requirements&#039;. What is it some kind of posh school?  

Test case - What if a single woman who goes to a church gets involved with another single woman sexually. Do the leaders of her church have a right to coerce her to leave? Is this something you would do? Just curious....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the guy who was &#8216;evaluated&#8217; for being a paedophile or whatever you choose to call him. Obviously you have to protect young children in your church or, apart from anything else, you can get sued. Do you also have to protect adults? What else should they be protected from? Whose job is it to do this? </p>
<p>I was quite shocked when you said the church has to &#8216;have standards&#8217; and &#8216;entrance requirements&#8217;. What is it some kind of posh school?  </p>
<p>Test case &#8211; What if a single woman who goes to a church gets involved with another single woman sexually. Do the leaders of her church have a right to coerce her to leave? Is this something you would do? Just curious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: societyvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>societyvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key is to &#039;rank&#039; people - or &#039;label&#039; them - its when this happens that it gets tough for someone to &#039;change their spots&#039;. I really have little problem with discusssing problems I may have with people - or them with me - as long as its being done in a way that doesnt belittle the person struggling - or puts a label on them (which I think can be disastorous).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key is to &#8216;rank&#8217; people &#8211; or &#8216;label&#8217; them &#8211; its when this happens that it gets tough for someone to &#8216;change their spots&#8217;. I really have little problem with discusssing problems I may have with people &#8211; or them with me &#8211; as long as its being done in a way that doesnt belittle the person struggling &#8211; or puts a label on them (which I think can be disastorous).</p>
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