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He’d spit on Jesus and the church.
Wow your presence is exhausting Steve.
Savvy,
Do have a problem with what I think Judas thought of Jesus and the church, or is it a personal objection…to me?
I have to disagree Steve!
After all, Judas was so guilt ridden after Jesus’ death that he killed himself.
Yes he betrayed Jesus, but it wasn’t out of hatred. I think it was moreso to do with human weakness and temptation. Which is why I think we can all relate to his story to some extent.
I love this tshirt.
Seeing as how most of us have more in common with Judas than with Jesus I think it is a much more relevant question; if only as a means to check ourselves.
Steve – would it better if it were “what would Peter do?”
Or maybe “what would Steve do?”
No need for a “what would Naked Pator do?” as he expresses himself quite creatively and clearly.
WWNPD – lol
Caroline,
You may be right.
Greggmac,
We do have more in common with Judas (at times).
I think we have both natures in us. The sin nature is evil and the Christ nature. The Christ nature is the real truth about us since God’s grace trumps the law.
Me thinks.
PK,
Steve (the old Adam or Steve) would nail Jesus to that cross also.
The New Adam (Christ) that lives inside me, is all that redeems me.
I guess we all turn our backs on Him and faith in favor of something a little more tangible and profitable (seemingly) from time to time.
For me it is like…every day.
But He always take me back.
As an atheist (former believer), I wouldn’t nail Jesus to the cross. I would listen to what he had to say, decide whether or not to give any credence to it, then either listen some more or move on.
Steve…why would you, or the old you, nail Jesus to the cross? I have enough respect for the freedoms of others to let them be.
Bob,
Because Jesus was good. He was God. He represented something completely new and other worldly.
Jesus spoke of living selflessly. He taught us that we were to love our enemies. To give of ourselves sacrificially, to live as God wants us to live and to do it perfectly.
We don’t want to do that. I’m a Christian and I don’t want to live like that now.
I want to libe the way I want to live. To focus on my self and my needs primarily.
So, in essence, I did help nail Him to that cross. It was my sin that He died for.
But He wnt to that cross willingly for me, knowing what I’m all about. Knowing that deep down, I am at heart an unbeliever.
That is love.
Another good one! So so good.
Ok Steve, but that leaves me rather confused.
I am not a Christian, and I do want to live a life of service. I do want to give to those in need. I do want to help and receive no recognition for that help. If it weren’t for the fact that I have needs my own self (like food) I would take every cent that I earn and give it to those in need.
So, I am just a bit confused as to why…
…never mind.
Bob,
You are just an unusually “good”person.
I thank God for all people like you, believers or not.
I just think…Why not?
I have a shirt that says WTFWJD on it. I have three, actually.
Steve…you said to Bob…”You are just an unusually “good”person.
I thank God for all people like you, believers or not.”
You’ve really got to get out more….apparently, there’s rumours of more like Bob.Imagine !
FiF,
Bob said (basically) that he lived on a thin margin of income and gave the rest to the poor.
I don’t know where you live, but I don’t see a whole lot of that going on where I’m from.
Maybe Bob lives in Samaria.
“Maybe Bob lives in Samaria.”
Is that anywhere near Cleveland?
If you haven’t already read it Pete Rollins last book “The Fidelity of Betrayal: Towards a Church Beyond Belief”is worth a read.
The blurb on it goes like this:
“What if one of the core elements of a radical Christianity lay in a demand that we betray it, while the ultimate act of affirming God required the forsaking of God? And what if fidelity to the Judeo-Christian scriptures demanded their renunciation?
In short, what if the only way of finding real faith involved betraying that faith with a kiss, like Judas did to Christ? The author of last year’s much-talked-about debut, How (Not) to Speak of God—is at it again.
Employing the insights of apophatic theology, Soren Kierkegaard, and deconstructive theory, The Fidelity of Betrayal seeks to explore the subversive and clandestine nature of a Christianity that dwells within religious institutions while simultaneously undermining them.”
Sounds heavy but very readable
Here’s another thought, I am not so sure that we all would have crucified or betrayed Jesus, after all we are followers and recipients of his acceptance of us as sinners. We may well have run away in fear of our lives. The people who were pressing for his removal were those who found his expression of the Father grossly unacceptable, I don’t. In fact I love it. However I also accept that the reason he came was to die for us all.
Fat Radical…I somewhat agree…according to the narratives,the majority didn’t(want his death)
Fat Radical…as well,you might be interested in this related post…http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/black-saturday/#comments