cartoon: Western Uncivilization

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Thank You Jesus | Faith and Action said, on March 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

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Semety said, on March 16th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

You can’t be a Christian by default – that’s the whole point.

and if the world agrees with you, you might want to reconsider
faithlessinfatima said, on March 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

Semety,I think what David is saying is that we more apt to ‘fall in step’ with the status quo rather than ’stepping out’.that is, taking the more difficult road of crtiquing what is ‘native’ to us and therfore most blinded by.We’re not only religiously zenophobic,we think it’s a blessing.
steve martin said, on March 16th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

I don’t know a single Christian that would pray a prayer like that, or think thoughts like that. Not one.

And I know quite a few, from different Christian traditions.

But, if this is another, ‘let’s attack Christianity’ cartoon…then maybe you’ve got something there!
faithlessinfatima said, on March 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

Steve…maybe you shld be reminded of a cpl Np’s New Year’s resolutions….

“3. to make my cartoons more honest and courageous, blowing the whistle on what I think the whistle needs to be blown on….”

” 7. to make my blog a more open and unrestricted arena for an even greater diversity of readers, so that we all might witness and experience unity even among those with profoundly differing beliefs and non-beliefs.”

…and what you might call “an attack” ,I wd call “a critique”. Did Luther attack or critique his adversaries?
ttm said, on March 16th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

I sat with someone this week who during the course of a 2 hour “conversation” managed to demean, disparage, and negatively critique about ten different people groups. I felt that saying nothing would be participating in his hatred and racism. I felt I had to speak out against the slander which rolled so easily from his lips. Unfortunately, I didn’t give a soft answer. My indignation got the better of me, and I’m still feeling bad about HOW my thoughts were delivered. But I stand by WHAT I said about things such as arrogance and racism and ethnocentric thinking.

Upon reflection this week, all I could think was that the man I had “conversed with” (endured is a better descriptor) was the 21st century version of that Pharisee whose prayer indicated that he was thrilled NOT to be a low-down tax collector. My acquaintance was THRILLED AND SO PROUD not to be “a weird Californian,” “a theiving Western rancher,” “a non-thinking environmentalist who is only going to screw up the world further with his own polluting and expensive innovations that won’t fix the problem,” “an Indian who is surrounded by and will, of course, participate in a drunk culture,” “a lazy black who steals benefits from hardworking whites,” “a Jew,” “an Oriental,” “a welfare recipient,” “a woman,” “a raging liberal,” and I can’t even recall the rest…It was shocking, really. A whole week later and I’m still reeling from the conversation. And today, as if catching a glimpse of the man who keeps haunting my mind, David posted this cartoon.

I would say that there are many of “this guy” running around today. And, if I am really being totally honest, sometimes I might even catch a glimpse of him when I look in my own mirror.

Thanks for another thought-provoker, David.
ttm said, on March 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

Oh, and the guy was promoting his “Christian foundation” that has all the answers for these pitiful groups…His foundation is going to fix the global energy problem, fix the worldwide financial crisis, eradicate world hunger, and create jobs for millions all while making sure that the people they are “helping” get God. I didn’t ask him to define “God,” but I’m sure he has a plan to fix Him, too. ;^)
steve martin said, on March 17th, 2009 at 12:02 am

FiF,

I accept your criticism of my criticism of David’s criticism.

I think Luther did both, by the way (doesn’t make it right)

David,

Sorry if I was a little harsh. It seems like the bad guys get 95% of the press.
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Heidi Renee said, on March 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am

got your hammer out this morning! you nailed it! well done!
Semety said, on March 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am

actually I was agreeing with the cartoon. After all the Bible is about Truth, it’s not a product to be marketed, or just another lifestyle – (unfortunatelt a lot of the west does portray it that way)
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faithlessinfatima said, on March 17th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

Actually Semety,don’t you think it’s a marketer’s dream?
faithlessinfatima said, on March 17th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

ttm…sounds like an Archie Bunker episode
ttm said, on March 17th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

faithlessinfatima, Exactly!
J said, on March 18th, 2009 at 7:54 am

Wow, NP, hole in one! Your work at the moment is especially pertinent and piquant (is that a word to use to describe art?).
I’ve been wondering about this myself lately – or rather, had some vague unformed thought and wish I’d had the thought that you had that you’ve expressed so beautifully in this piece of art.
Sigh. I’m also afraid that my church of six years is putting me off Christianity, putting me off God. This worries me. I have to keep telling myself that my church is not God, the leader is not God.
I better not type more here, as I’m sure this is not the place. Where do you think would be a good place to talk about this stuff? I can hardly tell THEM how I feel, what I’m afraid to think…

Thanks NP for your work – it comforts, challenges, questions, prods, amuses.
Nan said, on March 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am

It’s a great cartoon — of course no one is ever going to consciously articulate a prayer like that, but I’ve run into a lot of people who embody it.
Semety said, on March 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

unfortunately FiF, unfortunately – but the prettiful all-inclusive God has a wonderful plan that they’re pushing off on people is no longer the gospel. (and funny enough it’s not what people want, it’s just a fad)

http://books.google.com/books?id=cvw9uly5GjoC&printsec=frontcover
Semety said, on March 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

J – you can talk here.. If you can’t talk anywhere else. *hugs*
faithlessinfatima said, on March 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Semety…But a rose by another name might smell as sweet…. or sweeter. What do we really need…good doctrine or good people?
James the Mad said, on March 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

“And that I can support the status quo with a clear conscience”.
I think one of the biggest contributors to the “status quo” is the whole “God & country” mentality that is so prevalent in conservative/evangelical churches. I don’t think we realize that much of what we are doing in the name of our faith is actually cultural, not scriptural. But because we no longer know where the line is drawn we think we’re doing things in God’s name, not due to an excess of patriotism.
commander other said, on March 19th, 2009 at 3:13 am

personally, i believe the satirical reading of this passage is more prevalent than its likely intention.
Semety said, on March 19th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

That’s a trick question, Faithless! There is no one good, no not one. and good works are meaningless without Christ’s sacrifice. No one will ever attain goodness on the world. Doctrine is just the basic dictates of Christiany. What God has revealed about himself. Some are even neccessary (original sin, atonement, justification, and sanctification (here’s where ‘good’ people come in)) to know why we need Christ. Some is milk, and some is meat. But we should fear/love God first. The earth is fallen.

We should not call ourselves Christians if we just want to have relationships and do ‘good’ things. There’s a price to pay. Just admit to being Spiritual, Agnostic, whatever. We’ve lost the moral, absolute world, where God is above, he is the head, he judges, he is the center, and there is a right and a wrong. God is not within you. A false teacher leads the sheep astray, and is judged more severely.

NP – you have a great responsibility, even if you aren’t calling yourself a leader. Although really. I don’t even know if you are claiming to be Christian, except you call yourself a Pastor and use a lot of Christian imagery.
Semety said, on March 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

my point was that without good doctrine, you’ll never have good people. Whether they can formally articulate it or not.
faithlessinfatima said, on March 19th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

Semety…I think that the question of whether my acts are good or bad is probably left for others to decide ,but wdn’t it be bad to repay a genuinely virtuous act with such a disclaimer as in,” Thanks for yr kindness ,but let me remind you that yr still a filthy sinner.” My point is that rather than look for the most correctly indoctrinated,we shld appreciate the heart that is correctly turned toward the good,regardless of the doctrines they may confess.We don’t know the doctrines of the Roman Centurion or if he even had any,but the story suggests his heart and will were in the right place.I don’t read that Jesus took credit for it.Don’t let the Pauline ’sub-narrative’ blind you to the ‘grand narrative.’
Semety said, on March 19th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

that’s why I made the second point..

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life – no one comes to the father except by him..

The Roman Centurion, believed in Jesus – he had faith that Jesus could perform a miracle. He was trusting God – it had nothing to do with his being a ‘good person’ – it was for the centurion’s faith that Jesus healed.

A heart cannot be correctly turned toward God, without knowing Him. And God is the only good. A genuinely virtuous act could only be committed by someone who was already aware they were a sinner and was trusting in God.

personally I find it tragic that a pagan’s acts of kindness are worthless. What is added by the belief in God? Except I would say that biblically they are worthless, whatever I as a fellow fallen sinner see. It has to do with God’s glory probably – we were made in His image to glorify Him. and if we are in rebellion against our creator? It’s hard to deal with being as we’re all in the same boat here. Rebellion doesn’t seem so bad, but we are broken mirrors.

it’s not what you do – it’s what God does. Christianity may be unique in the fact that there’s no way to earn your way to Heaven. Everyone would be condemned if it were not for Him. But that might make it the most broken and difficult religions of all.

I am a bad christian, and i’m not even sure I am one. I hate letting people who aren’t Christian know that. Because I still believe mentally that the bible is true, even though emotionally I do not like some of the doctrines. Mental assent is not enough. I still try to evangelize, because if Christianity is true, that’s the best you can do to keep people out of Hell, even though it’s all up to God at the end. This is no excuse, but I get so emotionally caught up in this christian web, and I hate people claiming to be christians if they aren’t. Because absolute truth means someone is wrong, and if Christianity is true people are going to be in Hell. and there’s nothing I can do about it. If I ignore it, it’s like letting the blind man walk off the cliff. But I’m blind too, so what if there’s no cliff at all?
faithlessinfatima said, on March 19th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

Semety…I wasn’t using the story to illustrate whether he was a ‘good person’…he may not have been,but if Jesus approved of his response ,then it was obviously the ‘right’ response and therefore good.Jesus appears to be giving credit where credit is due.Likewise,we call a familiar story ‘The Parable of the Good Samaratin’, not The Parable of the Not-That-Good Samaritan.The gospel narrative wdn’t have the same emotional effect if we cdn’t recognize and ‘identify with the goodness of the hero.’
Graham said, on March 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm

This cartoon made me think. I used it in church last night as a way of opening up Luke 2:33-35 (with full attribution!). Thanks once again.
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