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	<title>Comments on: Flee to the Desert</title>
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	<description>David Hayward is an artist trapped in a pastor&#039;s body, stripping to the essential.</description>
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		<title>By: Fernando&#8217;s Desk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further Thoughts On Being (Or Trying Not To Be) Post-Congregational</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando&#8217;s Desk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further Thoughts On Being (Or Trying Not To Be) Post-Congregational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One issue that came up again and again was what we could call the risks of turning away from churchgoing. Does a lack of Christian community mean we risk our faith becoming too personal and individualised, does it mean we lose a sense of accountability, does the danger even go so far as to imperil the foundations of our faith? It&#8217;s a tension at work in the NakedPastor&#8217;s post, Flee to the Desert (HT to Linz for the link) &#8220;&#8230;When, oh when, will we ever ever realize that all we are doing with all of our ideas, visions, agendas, revolutions and reforms is tweaking that which imprisons us? We are the captains of modification&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One issue that came up again and again was what we could call the risks of turning away from churchgoing. Does a lack of Christian community mean we risk our faith becoming too personal and individualised, does it mean we lose a sense of accountability, does the danger even go so far as to imperil the foundations of our faith? It&#8217;s a tension at work in the NakedPastor&#8217;s post, Flee to the Desert (HT to Linz for the link) &#8220;&#8230;When, oh when, will we ever ever realize that all we are doing with all of our ideas, visions, agendas, revolutions and reforms is tweaking that which imprisons us? We are the captains of modification&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Happy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been struggling with this issue for so long.  It was great to hear someone put it into words.  I love the universal church, the body of believers, how can I not... but the way &quot;church&quot; is done... almost like an evangelical subculture that sometimes causes a lot of damage...  yet I don&#039;t know another way to achieve communion without being part of some program, structure or burocracy... =(

Awesome post.  You should write articles for us too... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been struggling with this issue for so long.  It was great to hear someone put it into words.  I love the universal church, the body of believers, how can I not&#8230; but the way &#8220;church&#8221; is done&#8230; almost like an evangelical subculture that sometimes causes a lot of damage&#8230;  yet I don&#8217;t know another way to achieve communion without being part of some program, structure or burocracy&#8230; =(</p>
<p>Awesome post.  You should write articles for us too&#8230; <img src='http://www.nakedpastor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: zefi</title>
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		<dc:creator>zefi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I a misanthrope.  But I try to love humans, and all, simply because that&#039;s what my Lord has commanded me to do.  So, is that considered an agenda?

I see no reason for humans to come together just for sake of nothing, or just to fellowship, or just to hang out with absolute no reason at all.  I see that as a celebration of humanity, and I am wary whenever people do that.  It reminds me of the tower of Babel.

When you say &quot;agenda,&quot; do you mean selfish reasons, like trying to get something out of the other person, or trying to mould them to be who we want them to be?  Else, is it accurate for me to say that you do not believe there is such thing as a good agenda?

Makes me wonder why you&#039;re a pastor, if every single agendum is bad.

And it&#039;s funny seeing how people write their comments.

Most insist for people to come back to the original meaning of Church, that is ekklesia; an assembly of people, a group of people. (in our context, Christians)  But they kept using statements like, &quot;I go to church,&quot; or &quot;I attend church.&quot;  You guys are making me confused.  Can you please make up your mind, whether the church is the congregation, or the building/event.  Don&#039;t say one thing and do another.  And if you do that, we have a word for that, and it starts with the letter &#039;H.&#039;

From reading people&#039;s experience in their congregation, I seriously am interested to visit them.  Cos they make the leaders sounds like they&#039;re a bunch of bloodsucking humans, always bent to make people&#039;s life a misery.  Sounds like false prophets and corrupted priests to me.  Why aren&#039;t they kicked out yet?

And at the risk of being called a hypocrite, I shall say this, that &quot;the Church maybe a whore, (or in an institute - pun intended) but She&#039;s my mother.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I a misanthrope.  But I try to love humans, and all, simply because that&#8217;s what my Lord has commanded me to do.  So, is that considered an agenda?</p>
<p>I see no reason for humans to come together just for sake of nothing, or just to fellowship, or just to hang out with absolute no reason at all.  I see that as a celebration of humanity, and I am wary whenever people do that.  It reminds me of the tower of Babel.</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;agenda,&#8221; do you mean selfish reasons, like trying to get something out of the other person, or trying to mould them to be who we want them to be?  Else, is it accurate for me to say that you do not believe there is such thing as a good agenda?</p>
<p>Makes me wonder why you&#8217;re a pastor, if every single agendum is bad.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s funny seeing how people write their comments.</p>
<p>Most insist for people to come back to the original meaning of Church, that is ekklesia; an assembly of people, a group of people. (in our context, Christians)  But they kept using statements like, &#8220;I go to church,&#8221; or &#8220;I attend church.&#8221;  You guys are making me confused.  Can you please make up your mind, whether the church is the congregation, or the building/event.  Don&#8217;t say one thing and do another.  And if you do that, we have a word for that, and it starts with the letter &#8216;H.&#8217;</p>
<p>From reading people&#8217;s experience in their congregation, I seriously am interested to visit them.  Cos they make the leaders sounds like they&#8217;re a bunch of bloodsucking humans, always bent to make people&#8217;s life a misery.  Sounds like false prophets and corrupted priests to me.  Why aren&#8217;t they kicked out yet?</p>
<p>And at the risk of being called a hypocrite, I shall say this, that &#8220;the Church maybe a whore, (or in an institute &#8211; pun intended) but She&#8217;s my mother.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Azevedo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Azevedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just say that I stumbled upon this blog about two days ago and I am just blown away by this. Talk about dialogue and communition! And even people from differnt countries! 
Thank you all.
God bless you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just say that I stumbled upon this blog about two days ago and I am just blown away by this. Talk about dialogue and communition! And even people from differnt countries!<br />
Thank you all.<br />
God bless you all.</p>
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