Comments on: More on Adolescence http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1644 David Hayward is a pastor artistically stripping to the essential. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:55:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Spiritual Adolesence « Novus Vitae http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1644/comment-page-1#comment-28514 Spiritual Adolesence « Novus Vitae Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:19:10 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1644#comment-28514 [...] In another post he talks about why most people never make it to spiritual maturity. . . [...] [...] In another post he talks about why most people never make it to spiritual maturity. . . [...]

]]> By: John http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1644/comment-page-1#comment-27108 John Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:21:32 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1644#comment-27108 David, What a great post. This is exactly what was happening to our church when the overseer/founder decided to come back and take over the church again. It was his excuse that the church was in an "adolescent rebellion" and in adolescence you make more boundaries! (There are many times I think some of your cartoons were made with him in mind...he definitely fit the profile.) He basically said, "I'm the Father and you do what I say!" He torn the church up and basically ran off all the leadership who were forward (growing up) thinking. We were all beat up and left as quickly as we could. But the problem was that the church was trying to grow up, learn how to think for themselves and become a mature adult, but the founder couldn't handle losing the control he loves, so he stopped the development. When you stop growing, maturing...you die. Adolescence might be messy, but at least you're living! Keep growing! Thanks again. David,
What a great post. This is exactly what was happening to our church when the overseer/founder decided to come back and take over the church again. It was his excuse that the church was in an “adolescent rebellion” and in adolescence you make more boundaries! (There are many times I think some of your cartoons were made with him in mind…he definitely fit the profile.) He basically said, “I’m the Father and you do what I say!” He torn the church up and basically ran off all the leadership who were forward (growing up) thinking. We were all beat up and left as quickly as we could. But the problem was that the church was trying to grow up, learn how to think for themselves and become a mature adult, but the founder couldn’t handle losing the control he loves, so he stopped the development. When you stop growing, maturing…you die. Adolescence might be messy, but at least you’re living! Keep growing! Thanks again.

]]> By: Greg http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1644/comment-page-1#comment-27015 Greg Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:58:28 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1644#comment-27015 I think I agree with the notion, but not the terminology. I think adolescence is the problem. It's a relatively new invention, that never existed in many societies. Once upon a time, a boy was a boy until he was a young man. Then he would be treated, and expected to act, as a man. In many cases he would still live with and work for his father. Some people had the bright idea of placing young people into institutionalised education, to teach them everything they need to know before letting them loose in the world. Enter a new stretch between "child" and "18+ adult" in which people are taught they're not good enough, can't do anything useful, can't be trusted, and lack the maturity to contribute usefully. By suspending adulthood then drawing a line at graduation, have we weakened the notion of progressive wisdom? I'm not against schools, but do believe there's been some large and unhelpful side-effects from the way they are. Back to the topic, does this fit? Are we frustrated with an adolescence of the church's own invention? I think I agree with the notion, but not the terminology. I think adolescence is the problem. It’s a relatively new invention, that never existed in many societies.
Once upon a time, a boy was a boy until he was a young man. Then he would be treated, and expected to act, as a man. In many cases he would still live with and work for his father.
Some people had the bright idea of placing young people into institutionalised education, to teach them everything they need to know before letting them loose in the world. Enter a new stretch between “child” and “18+ adult” in which people are taught they’re not good enough, can’t do anything useful, can’t be trusted, and lack the maturity to contribute usefully. By suspending adulthood then drawing a line at graduation, have we weakened the notion of progressive wisdom?

I’m not against schools, but do believe there’s been some large and unhelpful side-effects from the way they are.

Back to the topic, does this fit? Are we frustrated with an adolescence of the church’s own invention?

]]> By: Laura http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1644/comment-page-1#comment-26878 Laura Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:39:27 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1644#comment-26878 Nate, that's brilliant cheers Nate,
that’s brilliant
cheers

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