Comments on: Are You A Great Resource? http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1246 David Hayward is an artist trapped in a pastor's body, stripping to the essential. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:11:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rod http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1246/comment-page-1#comment-14267 Rod Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:06:49 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1246#comment-14267 Whoa I thought I was scary for a second. Well may. ;) It happens in every congregation. It's part of knowing where the people are at. Why certain groups are forming. Whose on the side of the Pastor and whose going their own way. Check out Rick Warrens stuff. They teach leaders how to deal with dissenters. Most programs out there have manuals from the source that also teach the leaders how to work with their congregation. Whoa I thought I was scary for a second. Well may. ;)

It happens in every congregation. It’s part of knowing where the people are at. Why certain groups are forming. Whose on the side of the Pastor and whose going their own way. Check out Rick Warrens stuff. They teach leaders how to deal with dissenters. Most programs out there have manuals from the source that also teach the leaders how to work with their congregation.

]]> By: jon birch http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1246/comment-page-1#comment-14264 jon birch Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:12:27 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1246#comment-14264 rod said... Also while in leadership I’ve been called upon to watch others. scary rod said… Also while in leadership I’ve been called upon to watch others.

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]]> By: Rod http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1246/comment-page-1#comment-14224 Rod Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:39:00 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1246#comment-14224 abmo ~> Amen to that comment. I didn't realize that so many really felt like this until I had my eyes opened in leadership and not until I got my mind off of what ministry looked like according to man's perspective. I was leading in a very friendly evangelical church that one would from the outside consider it to be very relationship oriented. It's problem is that it was based on socialization not relationships, but people were deceived to think that there were really relationships. Many times leadership coerces or manipulates others by controlling the atmosphere to which relationships function in their congregation. Quite often even in very well meaning congregations leadership will step in and interfere when relationships don't necessarily meet the standards or programs where the group is headed. I know that I've been watched carefully because of my relationships in congregations. Also while in leadership I've been called upon to watch others. We can't be naive to think this doesn't happen. People in leadership have to use those in their congregation to further their ministry or the ministry in which they've been employed to maintain. Leadership in the institutional church has to protect it's own interests and in so doing they are called up to watch relationships. Therefore it's better on their behalf to reduce relationship to socialization. abmo ~> Amen to that comment. I didn’t realize that so many really felt like this until I had my eyes opened in leadership and not until I got my mind off of what ministry looked like according to man’s perspective. I was leading in a very friendly evangelical church that one would from the outside consider it to be very relationship oriented. It’s problem is that it was based on socialization not relationships, but people were deceived to think that there were really relationships. Many times leadership coerces or manipulates others by controlling the atmosphere to which relationships function in their congregation. Quite often even in very well meaning congregations leadership will step in and interfere when relationships don’t necessarily meet the standards or programs where the group is headed. I know that I’ve been watched carefully because of my relationships in congregations. Also while in leadership I’ve been called upon to watch others. We can’t be naive to think this doesn’t happen. People in leadership have to use those in their congregation to further their ministry or the ministry in which they’ve been employed to maintain. Leadership in the institutional church has to protect it’s own interests and in so doing they are called up to watch relationships. Therefore it’s better on their behalf to reduce relationship to socialization.

]]> By: Law and Gospel http://www.nakedpastor.com/archives/1246/comment-page-1#comment-14218 Law and Gospel Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:36:04 +0000 http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1246#comment-14218 Just came to your blog in time to see this great post! How enlightened. I think there are people who want to be wanted. But there are also people who want to fit in, but because we see this first connection as a means to an end, we cut them off from exploring other gifts, we institutionalize the process. We also deny them a chance to get fed first. I like to be useful, but what I experienced was that because I was good at organizing and handling difficult situations, nothing I faced in my personal life was a time for ministry to me.. because you are strong, or organized or can handle things better than others. So much for comfort when you are overwhelmed. When I finally spoke up, people were amazed and completely caught off guard because of the very practice we fall into.I agree with Gavin, we should pray first, pray often instead of marking things off of our to-do list. Just came to your blog in time to see this great post! How enlightened. I think there are people who want to be wanted. But there are also people who want to fit in, but because we see this first connection as a means to an end, we cut them off from exploring other gifts, we institutionalize the process. We also deny them a chance to get fed first. I like to be useful, but what I experienced was that because I was good at organizing and handling difficult situations, nothing I faced in my personal life was a time for ministry to me.. because you are strong, or organized or can handle things better than others. So much for comfort when you are overwhelmed. When I finally spoke up, people were amazed and completely caught off guard because of the very practice we fall into.I agree with Gavin, we should pray first, pray often instead of marking things off of our to-do list.

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