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	<description>David Hayward is a pastor artistically stripping to the essential.</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m coming into this discussion about two years late, but that&#039;s the beauty of the nets - time shifting discussions and making the world smaller.

David, thanks for expressing some very real values I have about faith and orthodoxy.  As a leader in a faith community, I struggle with those who &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; the truth and my own desire to &lt;i&gt;find&lt;/i&gt; the Truth.  I ask, &quot;&lt;i&gt;What is Truth&lt;/i&gt;?&quot; ...and I am quoted doctrine and dogma.  My response comes from John 14:6: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Jesus is the Truth&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;

In my mind, there is no way and infinite, omniscient God can be contained in a few hundred pages.  Indeed, there is great truth there, but it is not exhaustive.  Quite possibly there is still truth to be discovered in the word.

However, I believe there will be considerable forehead slapping when Jesus returns.

&quot;Doh!  I never thought of/considered that!&quot;

I really like the idea that when we become complacent, we lose our desire to pursue further truth.   In fact, I was going to suggest that some of my leaders (formal and informal) read this post.  Then, as I read through the comments, I realized that I wouldn&#039;t need to.

Right out of the chute, @Randy&#039;s comments caught me by surprise.  To me, the logic of the post is so clear, and yet, from an orthodox approach, I can see his point of view.  However, it &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; would have occurred to me that this sort of thinking existed.  I now have greater insight to the roadblocks I have faced over the last year.  I now understand &quot;&lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt;&quot; perspective better.

Fascinating discussion.  My eyes are more open.  However, I see better how entrenched these thoughts are and how fearful people are of those who are willing to explore the edges and the dangers that exist there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m coming into this discussion about two years late, but that&#8217;s the beauty of the nets &#8211; time shifting discussions and making the world smaller.</p>
<p>David, thanks for expressing some very real values I have about faith and orthodoxy.  As a leader in a faith community, I struggle with those who <i>know</i> the truth and my own desire to <i>find</i> the Truth.  I ask, &#8220;<i>What is Truth</i>?&#8221; &#8230;and I am quoted doctrine and dogma.  My response comes from John 14:6: &#8220;<i>Jesus is the Truth</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my mind, there is no way and infinite, omniscient God can be contained in a few hundred pages.  Indeed, there is great truth there, but it is not exhaustive.  Quite possibly there is still truth to be discovered in the word.</p>
<p>However, I believe there will be considerable forehead slapping when Jesus returns.</p>
<p>&#8220;Doh!  I never thought of/considered that!&#8221;</p>
<p>I really like the idea that when we become complacent, we lose our desire to pursue further truth.   In fact, I was going to suggest that some of my leaders (formal and informal) read this post.  Then, as I read through the comments, I realized that I wouldn&#8217;t need to.</p>
<p>Right out of the chute, @Randy&#8217;s comments caught me by surprise.  To me, the logic of the post is so clear, and yet, from an orthodox approach, I can see his point of view.  However, it <i>never</i> would have occurred to me that this sort of thinking existed.  I now have greater insight to the roadblocks I have faced over the last year.  I now understand &#8220;<i>their</i>&#8221; perspective better.</p>
<p>Fascinating discussion.  My eyes are more open.  However, I see better how entrenched these thoughts are and how fearful people are of those who are willing to explore the edges and the dangers that exist there.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Harty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Harty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  I think that Bible inerrancy has been the biggest block to growth in the Christian church.  It assumes that the writers of the bible knew everything there was to know for all generations in regard to God and knew how to perfectly communicate it.  If Christians would simply look at the history of how the Bible was put together.

I would guess that its the fear of the unknown that keeps people holding on to some definition of &quot;right opinion.&quot;

Keep exploring the wilderness....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  I think that Bible inerrancy has been the biggest block to growth in the Christian church.  It assumes that the writers of the bible knew everything there was to know for all generations in regard to God and knew how to perfectly communicate it.  If Christians would simply look at the history of how the Bible was put together.</p>
<p>I would guess that its the fear of the unknown that keeps people holding on to some definition of &#8220;right opinion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep exploring the wilderness&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Laughery,

Well said.</description>
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<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: jon birch</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 10:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lor.
i agree with you.
my wife has this idea to write a book called &#039;8 days of doubt&#039; based around this whole idea... i am reminded to encourage her to get on with it. :-)

np. &quot;I wanted to warn us that a time to admit that what we donâ€™t know is coming.&quot;
now&#039;s a good time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lor.<br />
i agree with you.<br />
my wife has this idea to write a book called &#8216;8 days of doubt&#8217; based around this whole idea&#8230; i am reminded to encourage her to get on with it. <img src='http://www.nakedpastor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>np. &#8220;I wanted to warn us that a time to admit that what we donâ€™t know is coming.&#8221;<br />
now&#8217;s a good time!</p>
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