I think God requires faith, because that’s really the only way He could be in a relationship with us.
If He suddenly wanted to prove to everyone (once and for all) that He really does exist, and He took a giant index finger visable to everyone in the world, and wrote in the sky, ‘I AM YOUR GOD’…we wouldn’t doubt His existence, but we would be frightened to death of Him.
Doubts are always so dark…like a dark cloud that descends on you and shrouds your thoughts and sometimes your very being.
fishon
January 27, 2010 | 4:45 pm
Just now reading a book by John Ortberg titled “Faith and Doubt.” Causing me to think of things I never thought of before.
Ann B, for me doubt is like a light coming on—-and if I find a solution or answer it is then like stepping out into the sunlight and fresh air. Some of my doubts will never be answered in this realm of my life, but I find that exciting.
fishon
dude, this would be a fantastic t-shirt. i’m serious, find someone to transfer the graphic and print some up and put them on cafepress. it says more than two words have any business saying and it really gets you between the eyes. this is harcore realness.
From Linn : “Why does God require faith instead of good works?”
This question alone could open up a whole can of theologies!
Some might point out that the phrase ‘instead of’ might be replaced with many other phrases that fit with their own system (such as “in order to do”, or “before”, etc. — this list could go on).
Here’s an attempt to add to the conversation, but by no means is it a complete resolution:
We don’t always control the consequences of our works. Our intentions may be the best in the world but that doesn’t guarantee we will be understood or we will even help a situation. Also, in no way shape or form can we ‘know’ all the useful ‘knowledge’ of a situation before we act. We are limited, corporeal beings. Faith allows us to make a choice, and move towards what we think is the best course of action considering our own interests, information, (agenda,) wishes for a certain outcome (good or often enough otherwise).
As NP’s entry today suggests (and as others have commented) faith and doubt are always with us, keeping us inconsistent and squabbling even within our own individual heads. But there’s a chance some good might get worked out along the way for each of us.
Now, speaking only for myself, I would do some heavy rearranging of your question for it to fit my ‘beliefs’. But I won’t get into that here. That would just be spewing my own inconsistencies…
And when you get ready to do the t-shirt printing, I will put in an order! We could get them done in the Philippines cheaper for you!
Kayte
January 28, 2010 | 11:35 am
This one is timely! Five days ago my inner atheist was shouting very loudly and I was really struggling with ‘God,’ and by Tuesday, I was on my knees giving thanks to God who i wholeheartedly love. And this is by no means unusual for me. Sometimes I find being a Christian exhausting!
Baruch60610
February 1, 2010 | 3:14 am
Lynn, to my understanding, both faith and works are required. Somewhere in the Bible it says, “faith without works is dead”. That’s from James 2; which also makes it clear that both works and faith are required.
As for the cartoon, I must say that I don’t think it is possible to have faith, without also having doubts. I think much of what we call “faith” is our struggle with our doubts. We are not supposed to be completely without doubts; but rather to struggle against them and grow stronger as a result.
Can’t really have one without the other (in some ying-yang type thing)
That’s right.
If you are always sure, then you don’t need faith.
Why does God require faith instead of good works?
I read recently that Faith and Doubt are both the opposites of certainty.
I think God requires faith, because that’s really the only way He could be in a relationship with us.
If He suddenly wanted to prove to everyone (once and for all) that He really does exist, and He took a giant index finger visable to everyone in the world, and wrote in the sky, ‘I AM YOUR GOD’…we wouldn’t doubt His existence, but we would be frightened to death of Him.
Just my theory.
an instant classic!!
thanks brambonius.
Doubts are always so dark…like a dark cloud that descends on you and shrouds your thoughts and sometimes your very being.
Just now reading a book by John Ortberg titled “Faith and Doubt.” Causing me to think of things I never thought of before.
Ann B, for me doubt is like a light coming on—-and if I find a solution or answer it is then like stepping out into the sunlight and fresh air. Some of my doubts will never be answered in this realm of my life, but I find that exciting.
fishon
sounds good fishon.
dude, this would be a fantastic t-shirt. i’m serious, find someone to transfer the graphic and print some up and put them on cafepress. it says more than two words have any business saying and it really gets you between the eyes. this is harcore realness.
thanks PT. one day
From Linn : “Why does God require faith instead of good works?”
This question alone could open up a whole can of theologies!
Some might point out that the phrase ‘instead of’ might be replaced with many other phrases that fit with their own system (such as “in order to do”, or “before”, etc. — this list could go on).
Here’s an attempt to add to the conversation, but by no means is it a complete resolution:
We don’t always control the consequences of our works. Our intentions may be the best in the world but that doesn’t guarantee we will be understood or we will even help a situation. Also, in no way shape or form can we ‘know’ all the useful ‘knowledge’ of a situation before we act. We are limited, corporeal beings. Faith allows us to make a choice, and move towards what we think is the best course of action considering our own interests, information, (agenda,) wishes for a certain outcome (good or often enough otherwise).
As NP’s entry today suggests (and as others have commented) faith and doubt are always with us, keeping us inconsistent and squabbling even within our own individual heads. But there’s a chance some good might get worked out along the way for each of us.
Now, speaking only for myself, I would do some heavy rearranging of your question for it to fit my ‘beliefs’. But I won’t get into that here. That would just be spewing my own inconsistencies…
oops — Lynn*
So it goes…
Thanks–I love the way you put into pictures the unspoken struggles of the soul.
Reminds me of an Os Guiness book, called Doubt. Doubt is a state between faith and unbelief, says Guinness and thus demands resolution. Here is a post I made on the book last year.
http://ruach.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=1562
And when you get ready to do the t-shirt printing, I will put in an order! We could get them done in the Philippines cheaper for you!
This one is timely! Five days ago my inner atheist was shouting very loudly and I was really struggling with ‘God,’ and by Tuesday, I was on my knees giving thanks to God who i wholeheartedly love. And this is by no means unusual for me. Sometimes I find being a Christian exhausting!
Lynn, to my understanding, both faith and works are required. Somewhere in the Bible it says, “faith without works is dead”. That’s from James 2; which also makes it clear that both works and faith are required.
As for the cartoon, I must say that I don’t think it is possible to have faith, without also having doubts. I think much of what we call “faith” is our struggle with our doubts. We are not supposed to be completely without doubts; but rather to struggle against them and grow stronger as a result.